No real throughput data to choose RAM capacity vs. RAM bandwidth for MoE offload — expensive hardware bets made blind

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RAM bandwidthRAM capacityMoE offloadthroughput benchmarkshardware planningVRAM constraintsquantizationlocal LLM

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Users who want to run MoE models larger than VRAM (with routed experts offloaded to system RAM) must decide between more RAM capacity and faster RAM — e.g. 96GB DDR5-6000 vs 128GB DDR5-5600, or staying on 8-channel DDR4-2933 vs rebuilding on DDR5-6400 Threadripper. This is a multi-thousand-euro, platform-level decision, yet there is no trustworthy source of real decode/prefill tokens-per-second for offload across memory topologies, no model of how bandwidth, capacity, and expert-caching interact, and no way to know whether ~2× bandwidth is worth ~3× price. Users are left asking strangers on Reddit for anecdotal t/s numbers and risking money and months of rebuild time on the wrong platform. Existing model hubs and benchmark suites report GPU-only or aggregate scores and never map a specific model + quantization + offload configuration to expected throughput on a given memory subsystem — so the hardware-planning side of the quantization decision is completely unsolved.

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  • User lacks real throughput data to decide whether an expensive DDR5 upgrade is necessary for MoE offload, risking money on the wrong memory platform.
  • User cannot decide whether RAM capacity or RAM speed matters more for running larger MoE models at higher quants.

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